Comments on: 2nd Avenue Deli Set to Reopen http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/ Finding the finer side of everyday kosher living Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:19:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: nonmevushalmarc http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6513 nonmevushalmarc Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:58:57 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6513 No one has said that the questioning is unfair. Rather, I anticipated the questioning in my initial post. I simply asked that rather than sharing references to anecdotes and then engaging in personal attacks against others (as the two previous commentors have done), people talk to their rabbinic authority before eating at a restaurant where there's a question about the hashgacha. Since nothing productive or helpful is coming out of these comments, I request that this thread be closed to further comment. No one has said that the questioning is unfair. Rather, I anticipated the questioning in my initial post. I simply asked that rather than sharing references to anecdotes and then engaging in personal attacks against others (as the two previous commentors have done), people talk to their rabbinic authority before eating at a restaurant where there’s a question about the hashgacha. Since nothing productive or helpful is coming out of these comments, I request that this thread be closed to further comment.

]]> By: SLS http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6512 SLS Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:53:43 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6512 I think the ones who "care little about kashrut" are the ones trying to sell that any questioning of 2nd Avenue Deli is just unfair, or those who are drooling at the idea of eating there. I think the ones who “care little about kashrut” are the ones trying to sell that any questioning of 2nd Avenue Deli is just unfair, or those who are drooling at the idea of eating there.

]]> By: sp http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6511 sp Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:07:50 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6511 actually, it shows how certain people actually care little about kashrut, as to them it's a joke. All I did was point out an anecdote on why this hasgacha could be considered unreliable, which has nothing to do with policies, but a simple matter of how one relates to truth. actually, it shows how certain people actually care little about kashrut, as to them it’s a joke.

All I did was point out an anecdote on why this hasgacha could be considered unreliable, which has nothing to do with policies, but a simple matter of how one relates to truth.

]]> By: nonmevushalmarc http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6498 nonmevushalmarc Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:59:49 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6498 And some people wondered why I wanted to merely pass along a bit of news and leave well enough alone... And some people wondered why I wanted to merely pass along a bit of news and leave well enough alone…

]]> By: Milhouse http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6510 Milhouse Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:57:59 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6510 But yes, the Ashkenazi custom of allowing non-glatt meat only applies to adult mammals. Poultry, veal, and lamb *must* be glatt, or they aren't kosher according to anybody. But yes, the Ashkenazi custom of allowing non-glatt meat only applies to adult mammals. Poultry, veal, and lamb *must* be glatt, or they aren’t kosher according to anybody.

]]> By: Milhouse http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6509 Milhouse Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:56:30 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6509 Actually dairy comes from cows which have lungs, which could be treif, or non-glatt. If the cow is treif or non-glatt then so is its milk. The only way to tell is to slaughter the cow immediately after the milking and do an inspection. Of course we don't do that, and just "assume" that the cow is healthy. How safe that assumption is is a vexed question among kashrut professionals; nobody's willing to come out and say that all milk is suspect, but there are worrying stats from actual inspections of slaughtered dairy cows. Actually dairy comes from cows which have lungs, which could be treif, or non-glatt. If the cow is treif or non-glatt then so is its milk. The only way to tell is to slaughter the cow immediately after the milking and do an inspection. Of course we don’t do that, and just “assume” that the cow is healthy. How safe that assumption is is a vexed question among kashrut professionals; nobody’s willing to come out and say that all milk is suspect, but there are worrying stats from actual inspections of slaughtered dairy cows.

]]> By: SLS http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6508 SLS Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:24:54 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6508 Actually, kashrut.com is a little imprecise. The reasons differ on chicken/fish/dairy as to why glatt is a misuse. On chicken, it is because all chicken must meet the glatt/chalak standard to be kosher. Fish lungs aren't checked. Dairy is, well, lungless. :) So saying glatt kosher chicken is like saying cold ice - it's true, yet redundant. Calling fish or dairy glatt is just garbage. In other words, Milhouse is correct. Mrs. Crabopple would be so proud. Actually, kashrut.com is a little imprecise. The reasons differ on chicken/fish/dairy as to why glatt is a misuse. On chicken, it is because all chicken must meet the glatt/chalak standard to be kosher. Fish lungs aren’t checked. Dairy is, well, lungless. :)

So saying glatt kosher chicken is like saying cold ice - it’s true, yet redundant. Calling fish or dairy glatt is just garbage.

In other words, Milhouse is correct. Mrs. Crabopple would be so proud.

]]> By: DeisCane http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6497 DeisCane Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:58:50 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6497 Milhouse, From kashrut.com: [I]t is clear that referring to chicken, fish or dairy products as glatt is a misuse of the term. In addition, even when referring to meat, it only attests to the status of the lung, but makes no comment about the standards of, for example, the shechitah. Milhouse,

From kashrut.com:

[I]t is clear that referring to chicken, fish or dairy products as glatt is a misuse of the term. In addition, even when referring to meat, it only attests to the status of the lung, but makes no comment about the standards of, for example, the shechitah.

]]> By: Milhouse http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6507 Milhouse Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:38:07 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6507 The point about chalav yisrael is that Israel Steinberg's word is not reliable on that subject. The reader must determine how reliable he can be on any other subject. The point about chalav yisrael is that Israel Steinberg’s word is not reliable on that subject. The reader must determine how reliable he can be on any other subject.

]]> By: Milhouse http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6506 Milhouse Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:37:08 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2007/12/13/2nd-avenue-deli-set-to-reopen/#comment-6506 I should hope the chicken will be glatt. Non-glatt chicken isn't kosher, by any standard. I should hope the chicken will be glatt. Non-glatt chicken isn’t kosher, by any standard.

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