Comments on: The Challah Memo http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/ Finding the finer side of everyday kosher living Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:14:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Michelle Shain http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4560 Michelle Shain Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:45:59 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4560 Not all of the locations are kosher. According to the website, it's only the ones in Skokie, Indianapolis, South Bend, Edina, Minnetonka, St. Paul and Cincinnati. The one in Milwaukee was also kosher last time I was there, although the website seems to indicate that this is no longer the case...I'll ask my mother. Notice how it says on the breads page "Please note that kosher descriptions may differ from those listed below?" Information on the breads sold in the kosher stores is here: http://www.breadsmith.com/kosherinfo.html The pepperoni bread and such are absent. :-) Not all of the locations are kosher. According to the website, it’s only the ones in Skokie, Indianapolis, South Bend, Edina, Minnetonka, St. Paul and Cincinnati. The one in Milwaukee was also kosher last time I was there, although the website seems to indicate that this is no longer the case…I’ll ask my mother.

Notice how it says on the breads page “Please note that kosher descriptions may differ from those listed below?” Information on the breads sold in the kosher stores is here:

http://www.breadsmith.com/kosherinfo.html

The pepperoni bread and such are absent. :-)

]]> By: jabbett http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4559 jabbett Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:23:59 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4559 Hi, Michelle-- Their breads look delicious... but are you sure they're still kosher ("pepperoni bread") and pareve ("potato cheddar chive")? Hi, Michelle– Their breads look delicious… but are you sure they’re still kosher (”pepperoni bread”) and pareve (”potato cheddar chive”)?

]]> By: Michelle Shain http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4558 Michelle Shain Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:42:12 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4558 As someone who spent 18 years "stuck in the midwest somewhere," I just want you to know that we DO have excellent bakery challot. Milwaukee is home to the original Breadsmith, which is 100% kosher (pareve). And I tell you, Cheryl Ann's just can't compete. http://www.breadsmith.com/locations/milwaukee.html As someone who spent 18 years “stuck in the midwest somewhere,” I just want you to know that we DO have excellent bakery challot. Milwaukee is home to the original Breadsmith, which is 100% kosher (pareve). And I tell you, Cheryl Ann’s just can’t compete.

http://www.breadsmith.com/locations/milwaukee.html

]]> By: judi http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4557 judi Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:30:52 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4557 Julia Child published a challah recipe which used butter. And a few years ago, Jacques Pepin did a Chanukkah-themed cooking show in which he roasted a leg of lamb as the entree and prepared a luscious cheesecake for dessert. If you're a master chef, no one tells you what to do, even G-d. My opinion of the CI recipe: calls for too many eggs, oil makes a challah with a waaaay better texture and the yeast should be proofed first. Other than that, I approve of... their use of flour? Julia Child published a challah recipe which used butter.

And a few years ago, Jacques Pepin did a Chanukkah-themed cooking show in which he roasted a leg of lamb as the entree and prepared a luscious cheesecake for dessert.

If you’re a master chef, no one tells you what to do, even G-d.

My opinion of the CI recipe: calls for too many eggs, oil makes a challah with a waaaay better texture and the yeast should be proofed first. Other than that, I approve of… their use of flour?

]]> By: Tal Benschar http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4556 Tal Benschar Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:29:22 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4556 For those who want to look it up, the Shulkhan Aruch is Yoreah Deah 97:1. R. Howard Jachter has an excellent article on this issue here: http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/Dairy%20Bread.htm For those who want to look it up, the Shulkhan Aruch is Yoreah Deah 97:1.

R. Howard Jachter has an excellent article on this issue here:

http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/Dairy%20Bread.htm

]]> By: Tal Benschar http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4555 Tal Benschar Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:10:26 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4555 Aaron: What you write is NOT what the Shulchan Aruch states. Bread which is not pareve (i.e. dairy or meat) must have a "sign" baked into the bread. The sign can be a change in the shape, or the bread can be baked in a small quantity sufficient only for one meal. That is the law acc. to the Shulchan Aruch as it must be followed at home. A bakery is more complex, because it is not clear that the "sign" the baker will put into the bread will be recognized or understood by anyone of his customers. Hence some hechsherim generally do not permit non-pareve bread. (Although some hold that the "D" on the wrapper suffices; others disagree.) At home, it is quite easy for the baker to shape a dairy (or meat) loaf into an unusual shape and that is the sign. Aaron:

What you write is NOT what the Shulchan Aruch states.

Bread which is not pareve (i.e. dairy or meat) must have a “sign” baked into the bread. The sign can be a change in the shape, or the bread can be baked in a small quantity sufficient only for one meal. That is the law acc. to the Shulchan Aruch as it must be followed at home.

A bakery is more complex, because it is not clear that the “sign” the baker will put into the bread will be recognized or understood by anyone of his customers. Hence some hechsherim generally do not permit non-pareve bread. (Although some hold that the “D” on the wrapper suffices; others disagree.)

At home, it is quite easy for the baker to shape a dairy (or meat) loaf into an unusual shape and that is the sign.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4554 Aaron Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:43:18 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4554 According to the Shulchan Aruch, there is no such thing as dairy bread. Our local grocery store bakery went from being totally parve to dairy. The Rav HaMakshir has instructed those of us that follow kashrus not to eat any of the bread coming out of the bakery. Pastries and cookies are ok but no bread. According to the Shulchan Aruch, there is no such thing as dairy bread. Our local grocery store bakery went from being totally parve to dairy. The Rav HaMakshir has instructed those of us that follow kashrus not to eat any of the bread coming out of the bakery. Pastries and cookies are ok but no bread.

]]> By: Tal Benschar http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4553 Tal Benschar Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:30:20 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4553 Dairy Challah (with the appropriate "sign" in it to maintain kashrus) -- how about that for Shavuos? Dairy Challah (with the appropriate “sign” in it to maintain kashrus) — how about that for Shavuos?

]]> By: genie http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4542 genie Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:15:04 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4542 I worked for Cooks many years ago, in Ct. Mr. Kimball was not around during the day, although he did come in at night, apparently, as food needed for the next day's recipe testing would sometimes disappear. I don't buy the "new" Cook's or the books, as lots of it seems to be stream- of-consciousness about their experiments in the kitchen; things someone with minimal food training or some curiosity would have known about.. At the time Mr Kimball struck me as being more a social butterfly than a publisher of a food (or any) magazine. I worked for Cooks many years ago, in Ct. Mr. Kimball was not around during the day, although he did come in at night, apparently, as food needed for the next day’s recipe testing would sometimes disappear. I don’t buy the “new” Cook’s or the books, as lots of it seems to be stream- of-consciousness about their experiments in the kitchen; things someone with minimal food training or some curiosity would have known about.. At the time Mr Kimball struck me as being more a social butterfly than a publisher of a food (or any) magazine.

]]> By: seePea http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4552 seePea Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:49:28 +0000 http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/12/19/the-challah-memo/#comment-4552 oh - and the butter in chalah recipe ? Don't remember the magazine, but for Passover dinner they had a Tabbouleh recipe which called for bulgur. oh - and the butter in chalah recipe ? Don’t remember the magazine, but for Passover dinner they had a Tabbouleh recipe which called for bulgur.

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