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		<title>By: AmphipodGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2855</link>
		<dc:creator>AmphipodGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_The New Basics_ has a recipe for homemade chicken bouillion cubes -- 4 lbs. of wings and backs makes 16 cubes.  I plan to try my hand at this some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>_The New Basics_ has a recipe for homemade chicken bouillion cubes &#8212; 4 lbs. of wings and backs makes 16 cubes.  I plan to try my hand at this some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dovid</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2854</link>
		<dc:creator>Dovid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS"D

It's so easy to make your own stocks. At the supermarket where I shop I got (kosher) chicken bones which made the best stock. I also roast onions and carrots until some char is on them and use them too!</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s so easy to make your own stocks. At the supermarket where I shop I got (kosher) chicken bones which made the best stock. I also roast onions and carrots until some char is on them and use them too!</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Belle</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2853</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DebraG,
Freezing soups/broth in ziplocks is easy -- just put a cookie sheet or cutting board on the rack, freeze, then stack up neatly.  This also saves a lot of space.

I also am a saver of turkey &#38; chicken carcasses for broth.  Depending on how the orinal bird was cooked, the flavor can vary.  For purists this might be a problem -- I enjoy the variety.

For beef broth, I found another trick.  I have a great recipe for french roast -- sear the roast, place on a bed of tons of onions and a cup of red wine, top with onion soup mix, and cook forever.  This yields a wonderful, strongly flavored broth from all the liquids released from the roast and the onions.  Whatever is leftover after serving, I skim and freeze -- great as a soup on its own with added rosemary, or as an ingredient.  While I know the addition of the onion soup mix is a chemical addition, it is a much less proportion than using soup base alone.  My friends think I am so extravagent, serving roast for shabbos, but they don't know that with this added bonus, I avoid having to cook soup for a week or two after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DebraG,<br />
Freezing soups/broth in ziplocks is easy &#8212; just put a cookie sheet or cutting board on the rack, freeze, then stack up neatly.  This also saves a lot of space.</p>
<p>I also am a saver of turkey &amp; chicken carcasses for broth.  Depending on how the orinal bird was cooked, the flavor can vary.  For purists this might be a problem &#8212; I enjoy the variety.</p>
<p>For beef broth, I found another trick.  I have a great recipe for french roast &#8212; sear the roast, place on a bed of tons of onions and a cup of red wine, top with onion soup mix, and cook forever.  This yields a wonderful, strongly flavored broth from all the liquids released from the roast and the onions.  Whatever is leftover after serving, I skim and freeze &#8212; great as a soup on its own with added rosemary, or as an ingredient.  While I know the addition of the onion soup mix is a chemical addition, it is a much less proportion than using soup base alone.  My friends think I am so extravagent, serving roast for shabbos, but they don&#8217;t know that with this added bonus, I avoid having to cook soup for a week or two after.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2852</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same problem. A lot of soups that I want to make call for chicken or vegetable stock.  An idea I had though is to go into a takeout place and just buy ready made broth. like from a mauzone or something....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same problem. A lot of soups that I want to make call for chicken or vegetable stock.  An idea I had though is to go into a takeout place and just buy ready made broth. like from a mauzone or something&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sweinberger</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2851</link>
		<dc:creator>sweinberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 05:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umami-flavor is a product of glutamates &#38; inosinates. Tomatoes &#38; Parmesan are among the richest in glutamates. &lt;a href="http://www.umamiinfo.com/umami-rich_food/" rel="nofollow"&gt;See for yourself&lt;/a&gt;. Gluatamates and Inosinates have a synergistic affect on each-other, so foods with both of them (Japanese dashi broth being the common example) have something like 16x the flavor-enhancing ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umami-flavor is a product of glutamates &amp; inosinates. Tomatoes &amp; Parmesan are among the richest in glutamates. <a href="http://www.umamiinfo.com/umami-rich_food/" rel="nofollow">See for yourself</a>. Gluatamates and Inosinates have a synergistic affect on each-other, so foods with both of them (Japanese dashi broth being the common example) have something like 16x the flavor-enhancing ability.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2850</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomatoes and parmesan are cited as foods with strong &lt;i&gt;umami&lt;/i&gt; tastes, but I think the responsible chemicals were ones other than glutamate. (I'm not sure about the cheese, but am reasonably certain about the tomatoes.) The point was that the two substances complement each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomatoes and parmesan are cited as foods with strong <i>umami</i> tastes, but I think the responsible chemicals were ones other than glutamate. (I&#8217;m not sure about the cheese, but am reasonably certain about the tomatoes.) The point was that the two substances complement each other.</p>
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		<title>By: sweinberger</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2849</link>
		<dc:creator>sweinberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not saying it's conclusive - just food for thought. I have the book handy, though. :)

In one study, Of 61 subjects who identified themselves as MSG sensitive, 18 reacted to MSG with no false positives to a placebo. In another study, it was estimated that about 1% of the American public are MSG sensitive and show symptoms after consuming an oral dose of 3 grams of MSG.

I'm not denying anyone's symptoms based on this data - I'm just presenting an opinion. And there are 3 divisions in the discussion - good food made without MSG, bad food made with MSG and good food made better with glutamates, such as parmesan cheese and tomatoes making dishes tase better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s conclusive - just food for thought. I have the book handy, though. :)</p>
<p>In one study, Of 61 subjects who identified themselves as MSG sensitive, 18 reacted to MSG with no false positives to a placebo. In another study, it was estimated that about 1% of the American public are MSG sensitive and show symptoms after consuming an oral dose of 3 grams of MSG.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying anyone&#8217;s symptoms based on this data - I&#8217;m just presenting an opinion. And there are 3 divisions in the discussion - good food made without MSG, bad food made with MSG and good food made better with glutamates, such as parmesan cheese and tomatoes making dishes tase better.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Steingarten article is interesting, but I have reason to doubt the conclusiveness of the study he cites. (I seem to remember that the statistical sample was very small, though I don't have the numbers here just now.) I've had MSG reactions in the past without knowing that I had eaten MSG, usually because it was in something that I didn't expect to contain it. Worth noting that, if I'm not mistaken, a dish made with kombu still has a much lower level of glutamic acid than most dishes flavored with pure MSG or onion soup mix (=MSG, salt, spices).

That aside, the article doesn't touch on the fact that food made with good ingredients just tastes better than food made with bad ingredients covered up with MSG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Steingarten article is interesting, but I have reason to doubt the conclusiveness of the study he cites. (I seem to remember that the statistical sample was very small, though I don&#8217;t have the numbers here just now.) I&#8217;ve had MSG reactions in the past without knowing that I had eaten MSG, usually because it was in something that I didn&#8217;t expect to contain it. Worth noting that, if I&#8217;m not mistaken, a dish made with kombu still has a much lower level of glutamic acid than most dishes flavored with pure MSG or onion soup mix (=MSG, salt, spices).</p>
<p>That aside, the article doesn&#8217;t touch on the fact that food made with good ingredients just tastes better than food made with bad ingredients covered up with MSG.</p>
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		<title>By: sweinberger</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2847</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jabbet: you say that like chicken-fat &#38; MSG are bad things!

OK, I'll admit that home-made &#38; fresh-made are better than canned any day, but I'm not opposed to using the canned stuff. I don't have enough room in my freezer for my own broth. The bigger problem for me is the salt content - it can throw the flavors of a recipe off. Levana Kirschenbaum makes most of her soups with water - "If you're using the most delicious ingredients, why would you need broth?"

As far as MSG goes, you should read Jeffrey Steingarten's essay "Why Doesn't Everyone in China Have a Headache?", in &lt;i&gt;It Must Have Been Something I Ate&lt;/i&gt;. He posits that most MSG sensitivity is imagined, or at least due to something other than MSG. Did you know that Parmesan Cheese has the second highest concentration of natually ocurring MSG? Right behind Kombu Kelp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jabbet: you say that like chicken-fat &amp; MSG are bad things!</p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;ll admit that home-made &amp; fresh-made are better than canned any day, but I&#8217;m not opposed to using the canned stuff. I don&#8217;t have enough room in my freezer for my own broth. The bigger problem for me is the salt content - it can throw the flavors of a recipe off. Levana Kirschenbaum makes most of her soups with water - &#8220;If you&#8217;re using the most delicious ingredients, why would you need broth?&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as MSG goes, you should read Jeffrey Steingarten&#8217;s essay &#8220;Why Doesn&#8217;t Everyone in China Have a Headache?&#8221;, in <i>It Must Have Been Something I Ate</i>. He posits that most MSG sensitivity is imagined, or at least due to something other than MSG. Did you know that Parmesan Cheese has the second highest concentration of natually ocurring MSG? Right behind Kombu Kelp.</p>
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		<title>By: DebraG</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2006/02/15/real-broths/#comment-2846</link>
		<dc:creator>DebraG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ziploc bags are good, but if you put them on the wire racks of the freezer shelf, the bottom bag will freeze around the grates - a big pain.  What's also good to do is freeze leftover chicken soup/stock, etc. in ice cube trays.  Pop out your cubes and store THOSE in a ziploc.  Each is about 3 tablespoons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ziploc bags are good, but if you put them on the wire racks of the freezer shelf, the bottom bag will freeze around the grates - a big pain.  What&#8217;s also good to do is freeze leftover chicken soup/stock, etc. in ice cube trays.  Pop out your cubes and store THOSE in a ziploc.  Each is about 3 tablespoons.</p>
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