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	<title>Comments on: Half-Moon-K getting up to snuff</title>
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		<title>By: Zvi Hershel Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Zvi Hershel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked as aMashgiach for the OU and the OK and CHK and other supervising agencies and I want to say that if anyone who thinks these agencies are without their problems, they are fooling themselves.  They all are well meaning and are by and large reliable, but it is unfair of people to say that because the Half Moon K relied on some leniencies (in fact these leniencies had the approval of some great poskim of the last century)in the past that they are forever "Marked" as unreliable.  As to why someone would want to keep an unreliable symbol and make it reliable, it is an expensive process to get a company to change their hashgocha.  There are labelling expenses, advertising expenses, etc.  Furthermore, the half moon k already has a customer base.  To change it would probably mean losing many customers.

To the Half Moon K I say may you go from strength to strength and continue to improve the reliability of your kashruth supervision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked as aMashgiach for the OU and the OK and CHK and other supervising agencies and I want to say that if anyone who thinks these agencies are without their problems, they are fooling themselves.  They all are well meaning and are by and large reliable, but it is unfair of people to say that because the Half Moon K relied on some leniencies (in fact these leniencies had the approval of some great poskim of the last century)in the past that they are forever &#8220;Marked&#8221; as unreliable.  As to why someone would want to keep an unreliable symbol and make it reliable, it is an expensive process to get a company to change their hashgocha.  There are labelling expenses, advertising expenses, etc.  Furthermore, the half moon k already has a customer base.  To change it would probably mean losing many customers.</p>
<p>To the Half Moon K I say may you go from strength to strength and continue to improve the reliability of your kashruth supervision.</p>
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		<title>By: Kosher Critic</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Kosher Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day, you need to direct this question to a reliable kashrut authority.  I have done so and have asked such a Rabbi who informed me that the Paul Newman's products you mentioned are completely acceptable.  The nearly completed process of bringing the Half Moon K up to community standards is a positive development for those who care about kashrut and it should be supported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day, you need to direct this question to a reliable kashrut authority.  I have done so and have asked such a Rabbi who informed me that the Paul Newman&#8217;s products you mentioned are completely acceptable.  The nearly completed process of bringing the Half Moon K up to community standards is a positive development for those who care about kashrut and it should be supported.</p>
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		<title>By: Lin Powers</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Lin Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now I'm really confused.  I've always preferred the OU designation, have always trusted it.  Just today, I noticed the Half Moon K on some of Paul Newman's products (tomato and basil sauce and a mild salsa).  I wondered if they were acceptable, decided to hold off.  So, are they STRICTLY kosher or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now I&#8217;m really confused.  I&#8217;ve always preferred the OU designation, have always trusted it.  Just today, I noticed the Half Moon K on some of Paul Newman&#8217;s products (tomato and basil sauce and a mild salsa).  I wondered if they were acceptable, decided to hold off.  So, are they STRICTLY kosher or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl D. Goldin</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl D. Goldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION! Rabbi Eidlitz subsequently emailed me and stated that the "half moon k" is fine, EXCEPT FOR FIVE COMPANIES; that we should still CHECK with him ON AN ITEM BY ITEM BASIS!

Thus, as far as I can see, the "half moon k" is still unreliable. Some of their products are fine; some are not. Anything with their "heksher" requires further checking. In my opinion, that makes the heksher meaningless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION! Rabbi Eidlitz subsequently emailed me and stated that the &#8220;half moon k&#8221; is fine, EXCEPT FOR FIVE COMPANIES; that we should still CHECK with him ON AN ITEM BY ITEM BASIS!</p>
<p>Thus, as far as I can see, the &#8220;half moon k&#8221; is still unreliable. Some of their products are fine; some are not. Anything with their &#8220;heksher&#8221; requires further checking. In my opinion, that makes the heksher meaningless!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl D. Goldin</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl D. Goldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I emailed R' Eidlitz last week (11/9/2006), and asked him specifically whether or not the Half Moon K was now reliable. This was his reply:

"Rabbi Sharfman passed away about six years ago. The new people, Rabbi Hollander and Rabbi Jenkins are fine."

However, I wonder why anyone would retain a heksher with such a bad reputation! Why not design and register a new logo, rather than retain one which "everyone" knows is unreliable, and try to "improve it's image"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emailed R&#8217; Eidlitz last week (11/9/2006), and asked him specifically whether or not the Half Moon K was now reliable. This was his reply:</p>
<p>&#8220;Rabbi Sharfman passed away about six years ago. The new people, Rabbi Hollander and Rabbi Jenkins are fine.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I wonder why anyone would retain a heksher with such a bad reputation! Why not design and register a new logo, rather than retain one which &#8220;everyone&#8221; knows is unreliable, and try to &#8220;improve it&#8217;s image&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Winchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Winchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS"D

Oh, I should say that it's in the regular feature "Kashrus Concerns" by Rabbie Eliezer Eidlitz.  He has several sections:  Unauthorozed, Mislabeled, Dairy without "D" Designation, Newly Available, No Longer Certified, Certified, and Restaurants.  Yhis is the October 2006 issue on page 16 od Jewish Life, Traditional Living in Los Angeles"  (and yes, being from Louisville, I know that further East people differentiate between "traditional" and "orthodox", but here it's a polite way of saying "orthodox").
Craig</description>
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<p>Oh, I should say that it&#8217;s in the regular feature &#8220;Kashrus Concerns&#8221; by Rabbie Eliezer Eidlitz.  He has several sections:  Unauthorozed, Mislabeled, Dairy without &#8220;D&#8221; Designation, Newly Available, No Longer Certified, Certified, and Restaurants.  Yhis is the October 2006 issue on page 16 od Jewish Life, Traditional Living in Los Angeles&#8221;  (and yes, being from Louisville, I know that further East people differentiate between &#8220;traditional&#8221; and &#8220;orthodox&#8221;, but here it&#8217;s a polite way of saying &#8220;orthodox&#8221;).<br />
Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Winchell</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Winchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS"D

In the "Newly Available" section:

"Homemade brand organic baby food certified Half Moon K is available at Whole Foods markets."

It was part of a list of 2 items, ther other one, not quoted verbatim:  Les Petites Fermieres shredded 2 lb. mozzarella, OK, available at select Costcos.

Craig</description>
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<p>In the &#8220;Newly Available&#8221; section:</p>
<p>&#8220;Homemade brand organic baby food certified Half Moon K is available at Whole Foods markets.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was part of a list of 2 items, ther other one, not quoted verbatim:  Les Petites Fermieres shredded 2 lb. mozzarella, OK, available at select Costcos.</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, would you be kind enough to post the list here for those of us without access to Jewish Life (at least not the magazine :))?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, would you be kind enough to post the list here for those of us without access to Jewish Life (at least not the magazine :))?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Winchell</title>
		<link>http://www.kosherblog.net/2004/01/23/half_moon_k_getting_up_to_snuff/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Winchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS"D

OK, I've seen half-moon K products now listed by Rabbi Eidlitz in the latest issue of Jewish Life (an LA publication) in his column.  I guess this means that even by Yoni's criteria, half-moon k has finally "made it".

Craig Winchell</description>
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<p>OK, I&#8217;ve seen half-moon K products now listed by Rabbi Eidlitz in the latest issue of Jewish Life (an LA publication) in his column.  I guess this means that even by Yoni&#8217;s criteria, half-moon k has finally &#8220;made it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Craig Winchell</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Winchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Winchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS"D

Yoni, the half moon K is reliably kosher.  Rabbi Hollander, who runs it now, is a Telshe semicha who came to California to run Agudah (and now he runs Young Israel of Venice, I believe, though he's far more "black" than the community).  He told me last Spring that everything is up to snuff except for the bagged lettuces, at a time when all bagged lettuces were suspect.  He personally does not hold to simply triple washing and chazaka of bug-free status, so he doesn't eat the lettuce, or at least didn't eat it last Spring.  And I must say that many products lost their hechsher in the process of upgrading.

In any case, I live in the Valley Village community, and see Rabbi Eidlitz often, but I wouldn't place faith that his list is comprehensive as far as reliable hechshirim.  There are plenty which don't show up on his list.  But the list is full of reliable ones.  I wouldn't hesitate to eat half-moon K.  Just wish it were on some of the products it used to be on, which were ubiquitous.  Now, there's an item here, an item there... which I guess is because they gave up so many questionable products which under Scharfman were given hechsher, and they no longer have the special half-moon K hechsherim for gelatin and carmine, instead they have hechshirim denoting yoshon, dairy, meat, pareve and Pesach.  I fully reject the notion as well that reputable poskim don't approve of the half-moon K as it stands now.  Rather, it hasn't been the subject of intense scrutiny by poskim unless they need to check.  Thus, many don't even know that the founder died and that a new group of rabbis are doing things to different standards, under their own poskim.  As a person who has been involved in the production side, as well as the mashgiach side of kashrus, I know that old notions die hard, and by the time things are adopted by the majority, they're already old news, and sometimes are not even applicable anymore.

A gut g'bentched yor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BS&#8221;D</p>
<p>Yoni, the half moon K is reliably kosher.  Rabbi Hollander, who runs it now, is a Telshe semicha who came to California to run Agudah (and now he runs Young Israel of Venice, I believe, though he&#8217;s far more &#8220;black&#8221; than the community).  He told me last Spring that everything is up to snuff except for the bagged lettuces, at a time when all bagged lettuces were suspect.  He personally does not hold to simply triple washing and chazaka of bug-free status, so he doesn&#8217;t eat the lettuce, or at least didn&#8217;t eat it last Spring.  And I must say that many products lost their hechsher in the process of upgrading.</p>
<p>In any case, I live in the Valley Village community, and see Rabbi Eidlitz often, but I wouldn&#8217;t place faith that his list is comprehensive as far as reliable hechshirim.  There are plenty which don&#8217;t show up on his list.  But the list is full of reliable ones.  I wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to eat half-moon K.  Just wish it were on some of the products it used to be on, which were ubiquitous.  Now, there&#8217;s an item here, an item there&#8230; which I guess is because they gave up so many questionable products which under Scharfman were given hechsher, and they no longer have the special half-moon K hechsherim for gelatin and carmine, instead they have hechshirim denoting yoshon, dairy, meat, pareve and Pesach.  I fully reject the notion as well that reputable poskim don&#8217;t approve of the half-moon K as it stands now.  Rather, it hasn&#8217;t been the subject of intense scrutiny by poskim unless they need to check.  Thus, many don&#8217;t even know that the founder died and that a new group of rabbis are doing things to different standards, under their own poskim.  As a person who has been involved in the production side, as well as the mashgiach side of kashrus, I know that old notions die hard, and by the time things are adopted by the majority, they&#8217;re already old news, and sometimes are not even applicable anymore.</p>
<p>A gut g&#8217;bentched yor!</p>
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